Petard
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So THAT’S what God punished me for by hurting my daughter? It’s probably worth noting that in one of those cases, I was talking about an anonymous hate mailer, not a retarded person, and in the other case, I was talking about myself (also arguably not a retarded person).
If that’s what you are so upset about, Chuck, if that’s what you think has purchased the karmic retribution from above that you have more than once said that I (and my daughter) so richly deserve, then you are more than a prick, you are a prick with some serious mental and emotional issues.
I love that you still, through this all, think that you were justified in making those statement. Your wife was right in her comment that you deleted. You truly do not know how to admit when you are wrong.
Petard, indeed.
Rob, you have no moral higher ground here, so give it a rest already. Everyone agrees that what happened to your daughter is terrible, but that doesn’t make you any less of an asshole.
Another bold voice from the anonymous peanut gallery, “Karen”.
Rob:
1. Chuck removed my comment at my request, because although I have strong feelings about this and at one time felt compelled to comment, I decided not to get into this pissing match.
2. Chuck *never* suggests that your daughter deserved this. You have chosen to read things through your own skewed “tragedy dad” eyes. Because if you’re “tragedy dad” you can be an asshole and we all have to feel sorry for you.
Give it a rest.
You are right, this has reached a circular state of argument. You’re wrong about Chuck and his comments; his “God is an iron” comment was very clear in its implication. I was angered by that implication and remain so. If getting angry because some random asshead starts taking shots and me and my kid out of nowhere makes me an asshole in your eyes, then that’s your right. I wonder how you’d react if the tables were turned.
If you are asking me not to post in Chuck’s comments any further, then I’ll certainly respect that. My opinion of Chuck is pretty well set at this point.
Good lord. Rob, I’ve been pretty clear that I do NOT think your daughter’s condition was deserved in any way. For you to keep saying that I do may make you feel better somehow, but it’s complete bullshit. But you know better, so go ahead and keep telling me what I meant.
My “God is an iron” comment that you’re so fixated on was NOT about an Old Testament stylee smiting — but I’ve already said that, too. But again, it must make you feel better to keep saying that’s what I meant — but it’s still bullshit. As I said privately to one of your minions, it was really a “Huh, that’s some weird shit that happened” type thing. Rob makes fun of the handicapped and now his daughter is handicapped. That’s some weird shit that happened. Unfortunate and weird, yes. Deserved? No. An intentional act by God? No.
Google “God is an iron.” Read the Spider Robinson short story it brings up (which is where I got the phrase). Now tell me it’s about retribution. Tell me it’s even about God.
I am not upset, YOU are. And because you were upset, I backed off — first I took out your wife and daughter’s names because you sort of asked me to, then I took the entries down entirely. I realized you were obsessively reading them over and over and over again and I didn’t want to keep hurting you over and over and over again. So I took them down.
But now you seem to think I’m weak, that I’ve “scurried back under the fridge.” Wrong. I backed off out of sensitivity, whether you see it that way or not. I let you swipe at me in my comments here several times and in your previous entry without responding. I figured I’d give you that latitude. But you’re still swiping at me, so your grace period is over. I’m not attacking you anymore, but I will not sit quietly by while you attack me.
You challenged me in a previous comment that “I still await some examples; my entries remain “unedited””, so I decided to answer your latest swipe at me with a few of the examples you requested. Now, it’s true that in fact you weren’t talking about “retarded children” there, you were talking about yourself and your anonymous hate mailer. But I’m pretty sure the image you were evoking wasn’t one of a teenage skateboarder in the prime of health. I’ll bet my mortgage payment that you were thinking of people with cerebral palsy or some other such ailment when you wrote that. But you weren’t talking about them, you meant yourself. And a hatemailer. Talk about weaseling and backpedaling…
I’m trying to let it go, Rob. I suggest you do the same.
Hmm… Just as the link from 935 stops leading The Faithful here, the hits coming from Dysfunction Junction spike. Coincidence? Doubtful. I guess it got a little too bright over here under the fridge and they found a new way to sneak in.
Not that it worked. So… Hi! Hi!
Whoa, Chuck – I just “found” your new journal last week from Michael’s (Bunt Sign) links page. I was surprised and happy to see that Chuckstake and Stitches in Time (my reads from long ago) were back so I threw you up on my links page because that’s what I use as my “favorites” for Internet reading. No way am I involved in this 935 thing you got going on here.
Is this character Rob really trying to suggest that he didn’t seem to enjoy making sport of retarded people at his old site? I don’t think I have even seen all of the sites he has apparently had over the years but given that I’ve only seen one of them and even that only sporadically back then yet STILL have fixed in my head the notion, based largely on his offhand “retard” comments, that the guy wasn’t very nice …. well it just seems kind of odd that now he’s pretending he never did such a thing. I can even now remember a couple of things pretty vividly because they were part of what caused me to tune him out altogether soon thereafter. He came across as a cocky, not very nice person. No compassion that I could see. A couple of specific instances stick in my head: Once he talked about being concerned that his pregnant wife would have to wear maternity clothes that made her look retarded or that she had so much style that she wouldn’t look retarded or something like that. Another time he referred derisively to his workplace as being the “retarded stepchild” of his area. Maybe these stuck in my head because I have a sister whose daughter is retarded, or maybe it’s because they helped cement the impression that was already forming of this Rob person. To borrow a phrase he used here, my impression of him was already “pretty well set” at that point, the “retard” comments just underscored it and drove me (and a few others I know) away from his egomanical site for good.
Just some observations based on none too pleasant memories from the “old days” of journal reading.
(Oh, and no, I’m not listing my URL. Rob’s ego probably already keeps him googling himself day and night; who knows, maybe he’ll get lucky someday and stumble upon it himself, assuming he ever broadens his search to include the words “arrogance” and “comeuppance”…)
Sorry, Nance, I didn’t mean to unfairly tar you with an undeserved brush. Maybe they really have moved on to darker pastures … but I doubt it.
And Observer… Don’t be so hard on Rob. I’m sure he’d tell you himself that every time he calls something “retarded” he isn’t talking about *retarded* people, so really they and their families shouldn’t mind. Maybe he means it as a compliment. I’m sure you misunderstood.
If you follow those links Chuck put up and read those entries, I can’t see how anyone of any intelligence would not conclude that Rob was talking about ‘mentally disadvantaged’ individuals. Taking those statements in context, there is just no other conclusion to reach.